Fundamentalists claim sin does not have to be overcome to get saved. They say morality is something that occurs after getting saved but does not lead to salvation. It seems too obvious that Christ taught otherwise.

First, the muddled implications of the claim are stunning in their mindlessness and contrived rationalizations. What is getting saved? Is it a state in heaven or in the human society? Does it involve sinlessness? Does moral improvement occur after getting saved?

There would be no reason for Christ to teach, if the purpose were not to overcome sin. Here are some direct quotes.

(Mat 7:21) "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my father in heaven." Doing God's will to get saved means overcoming sin.

(Mat 5:20) "I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven." It means morality is needed before entering the kingdom of heaven.

At this point, some of the muddle needs to be considered. Is getting saved entering the kingdom of heaven? Christ never played such a word game. There was one task, overcoming sin, and one result, eternal life. It is only the attempt to rationalize falsehood that creates the muddle.

The contradictions of the fallacies need to be evaluated. If getting saved is not entering heaven, then how does one go from getting saved to entering heaven? It's absurd to say there is a difference, or to say humans are in heaven.

There is a figure of speech where the beginning of a result is referred to as the result. For example, Christ said he overcame the world. It means the truth that he produced would prevail against future attacks. In this way, a person might say he is saved when he gets on the path of salvation. Humans can be expected to make such a statement. This concept then creates the half-truth for saying humans are saved while interpreting it to mean an end point rather than a process. Fundamentalists contrive that interpretation by saying there is no process to getting saved. Notice in the twisted logic that it contradicts everything Christ taught. He taught a process that leads to a result.

Christ said penance for the remission of sins is to be preached (Luke 24:47). If this occurs after getting saved, then saved persons are sinful and need to do penance. Obviously Christ was saying the sin needs to be overcome before getting saved.

When Christ was asked how to acquire everlasting life, he said to sell possessions and give to the poor (creating treasures in heaven) and then follow him (Luke 18:22). The purpose was to get to heaven, not an automatic result of being saved. Similarly, doing good works like the Samaritan was said to be required for everlasting life (Luke 10:37).

If Christ's moral teaching was for persons who already are saved, then saved persons would be imperfect and in need of doing difficult tasks. Being saved would not be the same as being in heaven.

If then the muddlers are saying that being saved is not being in heaven, but overcoming sin is needed after getting saved, it is nothing but a word game. Overcoming sin is still needed to get to heaven. Of course, Christ never made any distinction between being saved and being in heaven.